Speakers


SPEAKERS 2017



Ali Malaz
Founder
CDO Club Turkey

Ali Malaz

Founder

CDO Club Turkey

Ali Malaz is currently President at TUBIYAD (Turkish CIO/CDO Association), Board Member of the EuroCIO Association, Malazlar Group and various companies. He is also founder at CDO World Magazine and Platform. Ali has a B.A. in Economics from the London Richmond University and MBA from Yeditepe University. He is passionate about and strives in all of his endeavors to support digital transformation.


Amit Kama
CEO of Kamedia Digital
Founder of CDO Club Israel

Amit Kama

CEO of Kamedia Digital

Founder of CDO Club Israel

CEO and Founder of Kamedia Digital an Israeli based interactive studio and digital strategic consulting company focused on making design-driven digital products in a new era of connected customers and digital businesses. Founder of the CDO Club in Israel, the first and largest Israeli community of C-suite digital, data and innovation leaders.


Bevin McArthur
Partner, Mexico City
Deloitte Digital Mexico

Bevin McArthur

Partner, Mexico City

Deloitte Digital Mexico

Bevin is an experienced digital strategist with over 15 years of expertise working with global media and financial services companies across several significant global digital initiatives. She leads a talented multi-disciplinary team of designers, developers, strategists, and user experience experts.

She is a Partner and Leader of Deloitte Digital Mexico, where she excels in partnering with clients to design and implement strategic business and technical solutions to meet customer needs and complex business challenges.

Previously, Bevin led global customer experience initiatives at HSBC. She is fluent in English and Spanish and has working knowledge of Portuguese and French.

Bevin has a Master’s degree from Northwestern University in Communication Systems Strategy and Management.


Bill Gale
Vice President, Information Strategy
and Infrastructure

AARP

Bill Gale

Vice President, Information Strategy
and Infrastructure

AARP

Bill is the VP of Information Strategy and Infrastructure at AARP and leads a team dedicated to driving data driven strategies across all lines of business.

In this role, Bill oversees the Enterprise Data Strategy, Database Marketing Platforms and the Big Data Environment for Analytics. Prior to this Bill led the Database Marketing efforts for AOL.

Bill is a graduate of James Madison University and resides in Virginia with his wife Michelle and their two daughters.


Bob Lord
Chief Digital Officer
IBM

Bob Lord

Chief Digital Officer

IBM

Bob Lord, is IBM’s first Chief Digital Officer, where he is missioned with bringing together the IBM Digital Business Group. He is responsible for overseeing the digital sales organization, routes to market and offering teams, and IBM’s development ecosystem and startup group (IBM Ventures).

Bob is the co-author of the book “Converge: Transforming Businesses at the Intersection of Marketing and Technology,” which discusses how technology, media, and creativity are uniting and how this shift is revolutionizing marketing and business strategy.

Bob holds an MBA from Harvard Business School and a BS in Engineering from Syracuse University.


David Mathison
Curator, CDO Summit
Founder, CDO Club

David Mathison

Curator, CDO Summit

Founder, CDO Club

David Mathison is the curator of the Chief Digital Officer Summit and founder of the CDO Club.

He is the world’s leading authority on Chief Digital and Data officers, and has been quoted by the Financial Times, the Wall Street Journal, Computerworld, McKinsey & Company, MIT Sloan Management Review, CMS Wire, ZDNet, Fierce CIO, and I-CIO, among others.

He was previously the founder and Managing Director of the Digital Media practice at Chadick Ellig, a premiere executive search consultancy named by Business Week as “one of the world’s most influential headhunters.

Mathison’s book, BE THE MEDIA, was featured in the NY Times after he pre-sold over 5,000 copies in 11 days via his web site, Twitter, and Facebook.

He has given keynote presentations everywhere from Columbia University to the United Nations (3 times in 2010), from Amsterdam to Zagreb.

From 1999-2001 he was founder and CEO of the Kinecta Corporation where he raised $30 million in under 2 years. Kinecta was acquired and is now part of Oracle (NASDAQ: ORCL).

From 1994-1999 Mathison was Vice President with Thomson Reuters, the world’s largest news agency, where he pioneered online content syndication.

Mathison earned his Masters degree from Columbia University in 1995.


DJ Edgerton
CEO / Founder
Zemoga

DJ Edgerton

CEO / Founder

Zemoga

DJ Edgerton is the Founder and CEO of Zemoga, a leading digital innovation and production agency w/ offices in NYC, Los Angeles, CT, Medellin, Barranquilla, & Bogota, Colombia. Voted Colombia’s “Top Exporter of Services” in 2010 and voted by readers of Nearshore Americas the #10 most influential global sourcing executive.

DJ has worked in the digital agency and production space for over 25 years specializing in developing customer engagement strategies & building teams and technologies that provide groundbreaking solutions for F500 Co’s.. His range of expertise includes engagement architecture, social media, global consumer marketing programs innovative use of mobile technologies that deliver industry leading design, user engagement and ROI. DJ pioneered the delivery of high-end digital solutions to Top Tier US clients from NearShore locations in LatAm.


Dr. Henna A. Karna
Chief Data Officer
XL Catlin

Dr. Henna A. Karna

Chief Data Officer

XL Catlin


Ellie Hirschhorn
Former Chief Digital & Consumer Officer
Vitals

Ellie Hirschhorn

Former Chief Digital & Consumer Officer

Vitals

Ellie Hirschhorn is an experienced media and technology leader possessing a combination of business, creative skills and technical skills with a track record of transforming, growing and scaling content businesses. She has built and led successful digital initiatives, driving change at both large companies (8 years at Viacom, 8 years at CBS) and executing entrepreneurial plans and a successful exit at a startup (3 years at MediaNet, a leading digital subscription music subscription.) Ms. Hirschhorn has demonstrated leadership skills and strengths in operations / general management, programming, revenue and audience development, product development, digital marketing, consumer data, strategic planning/M&A, business development and engineering.

Most recently Ellie was Chief Digital & Consumer Officer for Vitals, a healthcare technology company. Previously, Ellie served as Simon & Schuster’s Executive Vice President and first Chief Digital Officer, overseeing content & programming, product, digital marketing, business development and engineering. Before coming to Simon & Schuster, Ms. Hirschhorn was at CBS College Sports (f.k.a. College Sports TV) where she was Executive Vice President, Digital Media in charge of the company’s digital division, including CSTV’s network of 214 official athletic sites, CSTV All Access (an OTT platform powering 100+ broadband TV channels providing live audio and video of 10k+ sporting events annually.) Before joining CBS, Ms. Hirschhorn served as Chief Operating Officer of MediaNet, and also held various high-level positions at Viacom; GM of MTV.com, Head of Business Development for MTV Networks, and Director of Business Development at Showtime Networks.

Ms. Hirschhorn holds a BA (magna cum laude) from Yale University and an MBA (second year honors) from Harvard Business School and was a Henry R. Luce Scholar. She serves on the Board of Directors of Fiduciary Trust Company International, Hashoff LLC, Blinkist Labs, and Driver Digital. Ellie also serves on the Board of Governors of Yale University Press, and the Advisory Boards of The Mount Sinai Adolescent Health Center.

 

 

 

 


Eric Hellweg
Managing Director
Product Management & Digital Strategy

Harvard Business Review / HBR.org

Eric Hellweg

Managing Director
Product Management & Digital Strategy

Harvard Business Review / HBR.org

Hellweg leads the strategic direction for all of Harvard Business Review’s digital products, including HBR.org, the iPad app, smartphone apps, and new product development and user experience. Hellweg joined HBR in February 2006 as the organization’s first online editorial hire, and during this time, HBR.org has grown from 150k monthly uniques to nearly 6 million, and has become a leader across social media channels.

HBR.org re-launched in late 2014 and has posted record traffic and subscription sales since then, also winning the Best Design award at the Digiday Publishing Awards in March, beating out Quartz, The Guardian, and Bloomberg Politics.

Prior to joining HBR, Hellweg served as an executive editor at Forrester Research and an online columnist at CNN Money and MIT’s Technology Review. Hellweg was a founding editor of Business 2.0 magazine. Other previous engagements include freelance articles for publications such as the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Wired, SPIN, RollingStone.com, and many others.


Jane Barratt
Founder & CEO
GoldBean

Jane Barratt

Founder & CEO

GoldBean

Jane Barratt is the founder & CEO of GoldBean. She is a long-term investor and champion of financial literacy.

Jane spent more than 20 years driving growth for Fortune 500 companies, including many Financial Services institutions; and has been driving digital experiences for brands since the mid 90s.

GoldBean is an ‘investing for beginners’ digital advisory platform that gets people started with their first portfolio. It’s a modern, data-driven take on the Peter Lynch motto ‘invest in what you know’.

Extending the GoldBean mission to empower people to invest, Jane is also an author on Lynda.com and Investopedia.com

GoldBean is an SEC registered investment advisor that provides algorithm-driven advice, education and access to low-cost trades, all on hellogoldbean.com


Jennifer Dalipi
Sr. Director, Global Media Consumer Beauty
COTY

Jennifer Dalipi

Sr. Director, Global Media Consumer Beauty

COTY

Jennifer Dalipi is Sr. Director Global Media at COTY, Consumer Beauty division. COTY is a global leader in beauty with 70+ brand in over 130+ countries. During her 7 years at COTY she has worked across Luxury and Mass divisions.

Jennifer is a twenty year marketing veteran with a wide range of experience across brands, agency and marketing technology firms both large and small. Experiencing firsthand the rise and evolution of “digital” always keeping a firm eye on the consumer. She is consistently in start-up mode and is passionate about innovation, sparking consumer connections, and community.


Joe Caserta
President
Caserta Concepts

Joe Caserta

President

Caserta Concepts

As a veteran solution provider and co-author of the industry best seller ‘The Data Warehouse ETL Toolkit,’ Joe Caserta has built big data and data warehouse solutions for businesses and organizations in eCommerce, Insurance, Finance, Healthcare, Retail and Education.
Joe is dedicated to providing big data, data warehouse and business intelligence consulting and training services to help businesses realize the value in their data and to gain new business insights, the key to competitive strength.
Joe is an industry thought leader whose methods are innovative and creative to help companies organize, clean and access data for actionable business results. Many of Joe’s solutions have been published in industry magazines as he continuously sets new standards for building cost effective, sustainable big data and data warehouse solutions.


John Toth
VP, Reuters Solutions
Thomson Reuters

John Toth

VP, Reuters Solutions

Thomson Reuters

John is a proven sales management executive with over 18 years of publishing and media experience across many B-to-B and consumer categories.

In his current role, John oversees all advertising based revenue within the Americas for Reuters consumer media including direct, programmatic, content marketing, and third party revenue streams. Prior to this, John was the Director of B-to-B and Agency Sales for the Financial Times, tasked with driving the agency as well as programmatic trading strategy for the US market.

This is John’s second tour of duty with Thomson Reuters, having worked for over nine years with SourceMedia (formerly Thomson Media), his final role as Publishing Director for the Capital Markets Group.

John serves on the board of directors for the International Advertising Association. He is a graduate of Montclair State University.

John resides in New Jersey with his wife Collene and two children, Riley and Jack.


Jon Bond
Co Chairman and Chief Tomorroist
The Shipyard

Jon Bond

Co Chairman and Chief Tomorroist

The Shipyard

Jon Bond is one of the advertising and marketing industry’s most recognized thought leaders and entrepreneurs. He has developed several significant companies and marketing concepts over his 30-year career. He was Co-founder and CEO of Kirshenbaum Bond and Partners (KBP). In 2010, KBP sold to MDC. Billings were approximately $1B at the time and clients included BMW, Citi, Victoria’s Secret, Target, Wendy’s, and the Coca Cola Company. From 2010 to 2012, Jon was CEO of Big Fuel (now part of Publicis), one of the world’s largest social media agencies. Big Fuel’s clients included General Motors, Gatorade, Chase, and T-Mobile. In addition, Jon co-founded and sold one of the first online media agencies (iballs) to Microsoft in 2000.


Joshua Browder
Founder and CEO
DoNotPay

Joshua Browder

Founder and CEO

DoNotPay


Katrina Klier
Global Managing Director
Digital Marketing & Communications

Accenture

Katrina Klier

Global Managing Director
Digital Marketing & Communications

Accenture


Kevin Eagan
Chief Digital Experience Officer &
General Manager of Digital Platforms

IBM Digital Business Group

Kevin Eagan

Chief Digital Experience Officer &
General Manager of Digital Platforms

IBM Digital Business Group

Kevin Eagan is the Chief Digital Experience Officer and General Manager of Digital Platforms in the IBM Digital Business Group. In this role he is responsible for the end-to-end customer experience on IBM’s digital presence and channels. Kevin oversees teams focused on strategy, design, engineering and business operations of IBM’s digital experience, which includes the worldwide Marketplace as well as the platform that powers IBM.com. Drawing from IBM’s portfolio of ecommerce, digital marketing and cloud technologies, Kevin leads the creation of new ways to do business with IBM that make buying and using IBM expertise and solutions easier for clients and partners.

Kevin joined IBM in November 2014 from Microsoft where he was Vice President and General Manager of Online Commerce. During his 25-year career at Microsoft he has held numerous leadership positions spanning Marketing, Sales and Engineering, with a successful track record of building new businesses and creating new channels at the forefront of industry transformation and technology disruptions.

Kevin holds an AB honors in Economics from Harvard University.


Magnus Gylje
Chief Digital Officer,
Editor-in-Chief

Nobel Media

Magnus Gylje

Chief Digital Officer,
Editor-in-Chief

Nobel Media

Passionate about journalism, education and dialogue, preferably in combination, Magnus Gylje works with engaging a global audience around the Nobel Prize through the discoveries, works and actions of the 900 Laureates who have been awarded the Nobel Prize since 1901. And by lifting topics of importance for our present and future world in the fields of science, literature and peace.

As Chief Digital Officer at Nobel Media he’s responsible for digital strategy – and as Editor-in-Chief of the official Nobel Prize Channels he leads an editorial team that publishes on nobelprize.org and social media channels including Facebook.com/NobelPrize. The global reach of the Nobel Prize digital channels nearly doubled in 2015 to a new record high, due to an increased focus on social media and by strengthening the storytelling and dialogue aspects of material published.

Magnus Gylje joined Nobel Media in 2014 and has 15 years of editorial experience in the newspaper industry as editor of culture magazines and digital storytelling projects at Svenska Dagbladet (svd.se), and as radio station manager and podcast producer. A Master of Social Science graduate from Uppsala University, Sweden, specializing in prejudice research. He has also studied Psychology end Economics at University of Edinburgh. Food and moody music lover.


Dr. Markus Dirr
Chief Digital Officer
Executive Director Business Division Digital

Messe Muenchen GmbH

Dr. Markus Dirr

Chief Digital Officer
Executive Director Business Division Digital

Messe Muenchen GmbH

Dr. Markus Dirr founded several startup companies. His key strength is to achieve significant growth regarding digital revenue for corporates and established companies. Apart from that, he offered his expertise in serval consulting and interim projects with leading companies in their respective markets. Previously, he held the Chief Marketing Officer position at rebuy.com, a fast growing online marketplace in Germany. Currently, he is the Chief Digital Officer and ramps up the international digital business activities for Messe München, one of the leading global trade fair companies.


Michael Melillo
Director, UX Research and Strategy
CA Technologies

Michael Melillo

Director, UX Research and Strategy

CA Technologies

Michael leads UX Research and Strategy for CA Technologies, a company that is undergoing a significant transformation of its long-standing enterprise software business to embrace modern design and innovation principles.

Whereas consumers have had their lives revolutionized by great experience design, the same breakthroughs have mostly eluded enterprise software companies, but that is changing fast. Michael is at the forefront of the design transformation of enterprise software and deeply enjoys the complexity and pace of change inherent in this journey.

Michael combines his background in history, anthropology, media and 15 years of product and service design to drive a UX practice that makes sense of complex customer ecosystems and behaviors to design the next generation of CA’s portfolio.

Fueled by a passion to create a sustainable world for his children, Michael also advises several startups and campaigns in the areas of digital democracy, journalism and social activism.


Neil Whitney
VP, Digital Platforms
IBM Digital Business Group

Neil Whitney

VP, Digital Platforms

IBM Digital Business Group

Neil Whitney is Vice President of Offering Management for IBM’s Digital Platform. His team delivers the digital foundation that IBMers use to create exceptional customer experiences on the web. He also serves as DBG’s offering management discipline leader across digital marketing, digital sales, commerce, analytics, and the web. Prior to leading Digital Platform, Neil led design and offering teams for IBM Business Analytics, developing leading digital product experiences.

Neil joined IBM as part of the Varicent acquisition, where he served as VP Product. As Varicent’s first employee Neil developed the Varicent product and grew the product team (including Product Management, Design, Engineering, Documentation, Support, Cloud, and Compliance) from 1 to hundreds of team members.

Prior to Varicent, Neil was VP Sales and Marketing for a corporate performance management software firm, overseeing all aspects of marketing and sales execution.


Oliver Cummings
COO
Nurole

Oliver Cummings

COO

Nurole

Oliver Cummings is COO of www.nurole.com, an online platform and marketplace matching top talent with senior roles (corporate and not-for-profit, non-executive and executive) with 10,000+ members who include Fortune 500, NASDAQ, FTSE and PE/VC Chairmen, CEOs, CFOs, CTOs, CDOs Board Members and other C-Suite executives. Prior to Nurole, he spent over a decade working in private equity, most recently as a partner at BXR Partners, an international private investment group with a 19 year track record of superior investment performance across a variety of industry sectors. He also sat on the investment committee of White Cloud Capital, a growth capital and venture capital investment platform. Previously he was with Goldman Sachs Capital Partners where he focused on investment opportunities across Europe in the Business Services, Media, Oil & Gas and Industrial sectors. Oliver is currently a non-executive director of Thomas’s London Day Schools, a privately-owned schools group with over 2,000 students across London.


Patrick Hoffstetter
Founder and CEO at Newmedia360
Former Chief Digital Officer at Renault

Patrick Hoffstetter

Founder and CEO at Newmedia360

Former Chief Digital Officer at Renault

Patrick Hoffstetter was Renault’s Chief Digital Officer and director of the company’s “Digital Factory” where he defined digital strategy for the Group. The Digital Factory was created at the beginning of 2011 to accelerate Renault’s evolution in all things digital.
A graduate of HEC business school, Patrick began his career in New York, where he worked for Rail Europe Group, a subsidiary of SNCF. He returned to Europe to take up a development role for Eurostar, before being promoted to International Strategy Director for SNCF.

In 2000, Patrick entered the world of high-tech, joining SFR as Director of Marketing and then of Multimedia. He subsequently joined Yahoo Europe where he was in charge of products and services from 2005 to 2007.

Patrick has also served as CEO France for Lasminute.com, which he joined in 2008, before being promoted to Vice President for Europe.
Patrick Hoffstetter is a co-founder of the eG10 club which is composed of 12 CDOs (Chief Digital Officers) from different sectors, mostly within the CAC40. The aim of the club is to provide indepth sharing and brainstorming for digital executives of big corporations.


Rajesh Anandan
CEO ULTRA Testing
SVP UNICEF Ventures

Rajesh Anandan

CEO ULTRA Testing

SVP UNICEF Ventures

Rajesh Anandan is an intrapreneur, entrepreneur and growth architect, passionate about purpose as a motivator and neurodiversity as a competitive advantage. He is the co-creator of UNICEF Kid Power, the world’s first wearable-for-good, and co-founder of ULTRA Testing, a neurodiverse technology company employing individuals on the Autism Spectrum. Rajesh began his career at Microsoft as a program manager, then joined Bain & Company where he focused on business incubation and growth strategy, and for the past decade, he has worked in the impact sector, including launching and running UNICEF Ventures. Rajesh has a BSc and MEng in Computer Science and Electrical Engineering from MIT with concentrations in Artificial Intelligence, Systems Dynamics and Economics.


Rich Napoli
CEO
ObjectFrontier Inc

Rich Napoli

CEO

ObjectFrontier Inc

Since 2010, Rich Napoli has helped lead OFS through a dramatic growth period and has positioned OFS as a leader in outsourced product development. Mr. Napoli has over 35 years of experience in the software industry running product development for five different software firms, including Voxware (NASDAQ: VOXW) and two others that he helped grow and then sell to Oracle and State Street. In recent years, Rich served as CEO of Fusion Technologies, an offshore software services firm that he grew and sold to Alliance Consulting in 2006. Rich also served as CIO for a division of State Street where he led an IT staff of 250 people. Rich has his BS in Computer Science from Stony Brook University and his MBA in Finance from New York University.


Rob Beijleveld
CEO & Owner
ICT Media BV

Rob Beijleveld

CEO & Owner

ICT Media BV

Rob Beijleveld is CEO and owner of Dutch media and events firm ICT Media. He is also the initiator behind several Dutch foundations, such as CharITy, CIO Academy, CIO OTY Association, knowledge institute De Villa and networking club Double2Dutch.

Mr Beijleveld is publisher of the Dutch titles CIO Magazine, CDO Magazine, BaaS Magazine, TITM, Outsource Magazine, the tabloid BoardroomIT and it-executive.nl. With ICT Media, he organizes events that support the CDO, CIO, IT, telecoms and sourcing communities with demand-driven programs at C-level.

Previously, Mr Beijleveld held several director and senior management jobs at, among others, Hyperion Solutions, Ricoh/Nashuatec, ABDick, Holland Office Group, Infornet and United Colours.


Shane Norman
Chief Digital Officer, Senior Vice President
FactoryMade

Shane Norman

Chief Digital Officer, Senior Vice President

FactoryMade

Shane is a globally celebrated creative entrepreneur & author, whose leadership in marketing & product innovation spans across publishing, digital and entertainment. An Emmy-nominated digital producer and publisher of several top-rated apps, he has been featured in a number of publications and sites, such as Vice, Entereprenuer Magazine and Techcrunch.

In 2012, he co-founded Magic Mirror, producers of the popular ElfYourself app, which has garnered over 50 Million Downloads to date.

In 2015, he joined FactoryMade Ventures as SVP/Chief Digital Officer, where he guides the creative, digital and marketing strategy for the Hollywood incubator that partners with marquee talent to cultivate concepts to execution. Most recently, he led the group’s effort to launch a new STEAM-based kid’s television network, Nano, delivering unique IP and an innovative, multi-platform approach to learning.

Prior to FactoryMade, Shane served as the CDO for one of the country’s leading fundraising consulting firms, DSA, and pioneered the #PraytoEndEbola & #HelpEbola campaigns, garnering the highest award in the industry, The Gold Award for Fundraising Success.

Shane also led digital marketing for HarperCollins, reporting to then Chief Digital Officer, Charlie Redmayne. Guiding efforts to build a direct-to-consumer marketing strategy for high-profile authors, he pioneered the LiveStream Author Series and other notable platforms contributing to the success of a number of New York Times Best Selling titles.

He began his career at Fox Television Stations leading interactive sales and marketing. During that time, he was named to Rupert Murdoch’s Creating The Future Group and garnered an Emmy Nomination for Interactivity as the Creator/Developer of NYTrafficAuthority.

Shane is a graduate of Rhodes College with a degree in Philosophy. He is married, with three children and lives in Santa Monica, CA.


Stephanie Laing
Founder / CEO
PYPO

Stephanie Laing

Founder / CEO

PYPO

Emmy award-winning Director/Producer at HBO (Executive Producer, Vice Principals; Co-Executive Producer, Divorce; Executive Producer and Director, Veep). Founder and CEO of PYPO, a dynamic creative space for open conversation sparked by original sketches, engaging articles, and innovative editorial collaborations.


Sudhir Kulkarni
President, Digital
Persistent Systems Inc.

Sudhir Kulkarni

President, Digital

Persistent Systems Inc.

Sudhir Kulkarni is the President of Digital for Persistent Systems. Here he leads the team with a focus on the “how” of digital by bringing together data, APIs, and experiences. This growth strategy combines a technology partner ecosystem, solutions, and a unique architecture for enterprise digital transformation or the transformation to become software-driven in business.

He holds an MBA from IIM, Calcutta and a Bachelor’s Degree from Bombay University. He won the prestigious Gurukul Chevening Scholarship at the London School of Economics.

During his first stint with Persistent from 2006 to 2011, Sudhir held Sales leadership roles as Vice President and Senior Vice President of Sales and GM of an acquired product unit. On rejoining Persistent in 2013 he held Global Sales Operations and Marketing responsibilities in addition to High Tech Sales. Over his 8+ years association with Persistent, his focus on driving a disciplined sales organization has been a key to the organization’s growth.

Over a rich professional career of over 30 years in technology and other businesses, Sudhir has been associated with AF Ferguson, Coats Viyella and NIIT, founded two successful technology companies and ran two startups in the Silicon Valley as COO and Managing Partner.


Topher Wurts
Founder
Autism Village

Topher Wurts

Founder

Autism Village

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